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FATHER: JOHAN NIESPER
MOTHER: MARIA ANNA UNTERNAHRER
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S CONCERNING CASPAR UNTERNEHR++++++
-OCCUPATION: VINTNER
-In 1674 cited as valet of Andre Clad in Lautenbach-Zell
-In 1679
he is citizen of Buhl. Item: Wasserbourg, Inventaire apres deces: 10 mar 1674: Probate of Estate of deceased Jost Stadelmann. Survived by children Maria, Barbara, Anna, and Jost. "et la veuve Anna Schnecker. Elle est fiancee a Hanns Schirmer, compagnon celibataire, originaire de Schupfheim dans l'Entlebuch. Leur contrat de mariage, date du 10 mars 1674, est joint. Le temoins au contrat de mariage sont: Peter Lorentz prevot de Lautenbach-Zell et Caspar Undernehr compagnon celibataire.."
-On 26 Sep 1655 at Lautenbach Zell Andreas Clad is witness to the wedding of Nicholas UNDERNAHER and Magdalena KOENIG (BCGA 120, Page 778, Thierry SCHMITT)
-In 1674 at Lautenbach Zell Kaspar UNTERNEHR is cited as a valet of Andre Clad (BCGA 120, Page 778, Thierry SCHMITT)
-On 21 Jan 1680 in St. Amarin Caspar UNTERNEHR is witness to the birth of Anna Maria UNTERNEHR, daughter of Joannes UNTERNEHR and Anna HAFFNER
-About 1675-1680 birth of Johann Georg UNTERNEHR, son of Caspar
-About 1680-1685 birth of Catharina UNTERNEHR, daughter of Caspar
-On 11 Dec 1687 in Buhl birth of Joseph UNTERNEHR, son of Caspar
-On 10 Sep 1686 in Buhl confirmation of Catharina UNTERNEHR; witness: Catharina LIPP
-On 11 May 1688 in Buhl birth of Joannes Caspar Steli; Caspar UNTERNEHR is sponsor
THOUGHTS ON PARENTAGE OF CASPAR UNTERNEHR (+Buhl 1691)
I posted a query in the Bulletin du Cercle Genealogique d'Alsace (BCGA)
No. 120, Page 762 concerning the parentage of Gaspard UNDERNERER, husband of Anna Maria BARTH. One of the responses reads: "Si Gaspard UNDERNERER est bien originaire de Schupfheim-Entlebuch (voir rep. 1355 BCGA 120 p. 778), 3 possibilites d'ascendance sont envisageables:
-Gaspard *Entlebuch 7.3.1625, fs de Nicolas et d'Anne LYP
-Gaspard *Schupfheim 2.1.1622, fs de Pierre et de Marie YSUMB (HUMB)
-Gaspard *Schupfheim 13.9.1608, fs de Jean et de Veronique BURGER
Il n'y a apparemment pas d'autres Gaspard U. dans ces 2 communes voisines /1660." BCGA 121, Page 71, Roland WALCH
I have independently arrived at these above 3 possibilities, and I would add 1 more possibility to consider: On 2 June 1654 at Schupfheim Kaspar UNDERNARER was married to Barbara Maria BALMER. This family had 7 children, born in Schupfheim between 1656 and 16 March 1675. (FHL #0997722) This Kaspar could not be the same as the Kaspar in Alsace because in 1674 the Kaspar in Alsace is still unmarried.
-RE: Kaspar, son of Peter UNDERNAR and Maria HUMB
This Kaspar married Margaretha VOGEL on 25 June 1647 in Schupfheim and died on 8 Oct 1653. He was one of the "Tells" of the Peasants Revolt.
-RE: Kaspar, son of Hans UNDERNARER and Veronica BUCHER
If this is the Kaspar who migrated to Alsace then he would have been in his 70's when he married Anna Maria BARTH and he would have been 83 when he fathered his last child, Marcus, in 1691. This is way out of the normal range. Improbable in my opinion, but possible.
-RE: Kaspar, son of Claus UNDERNARER and Anna LIPP
If this is the Kaspar who migrated to Alsace he would have been in his early 50's when he married and 65 when he fathered his last child, Marcus. This is out of the normal range, but considering the turbulent times of the 30 Years War and the Peasants Revolt it is possible. The fact that his wife died 20 years after Kaspar's death (and after a 2nd. marriage) might indicate that Kaspar was somewhat older than normal in his marriage union. The above Claus could be the same Claus who married Magdalena KOENIG in Buhl in 1655 (Andreas CLAD witness).
Kaspar's daughter Catharina married Joannes CLAD in Buhl in 1702. Kaspar was a valet of Andreas CLAD in 1674 in Buhl. At the confirmation of Catharina UNTERNEHR in Buhl in 1686, Catharina LIPP is witness. By the process of elimination and with all of the interaction between these families in Buhl,Alsace, it appears that the parents of the Kaspar UNTERNEHR (who married Anna Maria BARTH) could likely be Claus UNDERNARER and Anna LIPP from Entlebuch Parrish. A conclusive link is not made at this time.
-On 26 Apr 1691 in Buhl birth of Marcus UNTERNEHR, son of Caspar
-On 2 Feb 1692 in Buhl death of Caspar UNTERNEHR
-On 2 Aug 1711 in Buhl death of Anna Maria BARTH, wife of Caspar UNTERNEHR
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OO LEDIG 1 FEB 1841 TESTES: JOHAN NIESPER (DOCTOR EX WOHLHUSEN)
JOST UNTERNAHRER